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Remote Mixing, The Next Day

Alright, so yo have your computer happily talking away to your Yamaha digital board. You move a fader on screen and it moves in real life (that never gets old). Getting here was the subject of yesterday’s post, which you can read here if you missed it. Hopefully, you’re wireless so you can even to it from across the room. And that’s all well and good, but what are some real-life applications of this very cool technology? Well, here are a few that I can think of.

Digital Patching

One of the greatest things about digital boards is that you don’t have to physically patch anything anymore. You can route any input to any fader (or even two faders), and any mix to any output (or combination of outputs). And while it’s as handy as a bluetooth headset for talking in the car, it can be a bit of a pain to do right on the board itself. It’s not hard, mind you, it’s just not always 100% intuitive. Especially if you are a visual-type of person (guilty as charged). This is but one reason I never mix on the M7 without my laptop handy. Check out the patching editor:


Changing the input or output patching is as simple as point and click! (click to enlarge)

I really like this interface. We’re looking at the Output Patch here, because that’s where I do most of my patching. The mix busses are listed on the left, and it’s easy to name them so you can keep them straight. The actual outputs are on the top. Want a mix bus to go to an output? Put an orange dot there. It’s that simple. If that doesn’t save time, I don’t know what will.

Metering

Perhaps the most common use for my laptop during a service is to act as a complete input meter. With the meter pane up, I can monitor all 48 channels in, plus stereo. Or I can quickly check my output levels (which is a bit redundant since we have the meter bridge–but if you don’t, it’s right here).

All of your inputs and outputs can be metered at a variety of points in the signal chain, with or without peak hold. (click to enlarge)

I don’t know if this ever happens to you or not, but every week, I do a sound check and get initial levels from each instrument. Then, during the service, everyone plays louder. Sometimes a lot louder. I’ve taken to setting my initial levels at -12 or less, knowing that when it all comes down, everyone will be up near 0. Because we’re digital, once we run out of bits, we’re done. So I try to avoid clipping at all costs. The meter section helps me keep an eye on who got way too loud so I can dial them back a tad. Turning on Peak Hold makes it even easier to spot. Sure I know the console has a full-screen monitor page, but this looks way cooler.

Preservice Building

Since I can, I like to get as much of my show built before I arrive at church. I’ll plug in all my channel names, set some initial monitor levels, get my patching in line, that sort of thing. Studio Manager lets you do all this off-line, and gives you the ability to save your settings to a file that you load onto your USB key. Pop in the key, load the show, and you’re 80% there. Using the individual Channel Overview, you can dial a lot of things in quickly.

In this window, you can adjust nearly every parameter available for each channel. (click to enlarge)

Using this window, you can dial in monitor mixes, matrix sends, load EQs from the library, adjust initial settings for dynamics 1&2, set up DCA and Mute assigns, turn phantom power on and off, even patch in stuff from the Rack. And using the arrows in the top left, you can quickly go through all your channels. I’ve found this to be a huge timesaver.

In-Venue Remote Mixing

Now, I’ll make a distinction here. When I say in-venue, I’m referring to mixing by remote while being in the room the console is in. It’s the functional equivalent of picking the board up and dragging it around the room with you while you listen from various points (if that were even possible). Unless you have a room and speaker system that is really, really good, it’s likely that it sounds a little different depending on where you sit. If you have a room like ours, it can vary wildly depending on where you sit. Getting a good mix is all about finding a happy medium.

We used to walk the room, listen, make mental notes, then head back to the desk and implement changes. This process was fraught with problems. Not the least of which being that you can’t immediately hear the result of your changes in the area that you need to. Now, we just carry the laptop around and tweak from where we are. This has the added benefit of giving us the ability to respond to monitor requests from anywhere as well. It would never fail that we’d be all the way over on the other side of the balcony and someone would need a little more keys. Now, we just dial it up. Everyone’s happy.

Plus, it looks really cool. One day I was mixing for the contemporary service and one of the pastors saw me wandering around the main level with my laptop. He said, “What are you doing?” I answered, “Oh, just making a few mix tweaks here and there.” He took a look at the screen and said, “OK, now you’re just showing off.” We both had a good laugh, but the reality is this goes a long way to helping convince people you know what you’re doing.

Out-of-Venue Mixing

This is the mode I operate in every weekend when I’m TD’ing Upper Room. I normally sit in the tech booth, which is essentially sealed off from the main room. We have a matrix feed sending to the booth, which is what we use to record the services. I used to spend a lot of time calling down on the com, “Can you give me a little more lead vox in our mix,” and “a little less electric guitar.” It got to be a bit annoying, for both me and the FOH engineers.

A few months ago, I figured out that I can dial in my own levels in such a way that doesn’t impact the FOH engineer, and gives me a reasonable mix. It’s not “mixing” in the truest sense of the word since it’s a bit coarse, but it’s close enough and gives us decent results. The key is in setting up the workspace correctly.

My standard, weekly preset with all 48 channels plus stereo inputs and DCAs accounted for. (click to enlarge)

By selecting to view only the first 4 mix busses (which I then toggle to the Matrix), I have enough height on my screen to almost get all 3 sets of 16 channels visible with minimal overlap. Now to really appreciate this, you need to enlarge the photo. Go ahead, we’ll wait. Circled in yellow is where we mix. As I mentioned earlier, it’s a bit coarse, but by dragging those little orange bars left or right, you can adjust the send for that channel. When I need a little more lead vocal, I go to that channel, and pull it up a little. It’s not an exact science, but it works. You can accomplish the same thing with more precision by hitting select, and going to Channel Overview, but that means you’re also hitting select on the board, and that can mess up the FOH engineer.

Now, from a setup standpoint, I highly recommend you go with mix busses for monitors and a matrix for a remote venue. The reason is simply this: If you have your mix busses in front of you, it’s way too easy to think you’re turning up your mix and accidentally turn up the lead guitar in the worship leader’s mix. Yeah, I did that. Once. But no more. I don’t even have the mix busses on my screen, so the worst I can do it turn it up too loud in the lobby. No real harm done there.

The beauty of this type of mixing is that you can be anywhere on your network. The tech booth up the stairs or in the gym on the other side of the building. Doesn’t matter. As long as you’re on the same subnet and can access the mixer, you can tweak the send to your heart’s content. And you don’t bug the main FOH guy. 

One More for the “Because We Can” Category

We have now crossed into a whole new realm. I’ll give the disclaimer that it’s not entirely practical, and because it’s a bit slow, you really can’t mix this way. But it’s really cool. With the advent of version 2.0 of the iPhone (and iPod Touch) software and the App Store we can now ascend to the 7th level of geekiness.

Using Mocha VNC, a Virtual Network Control application you can remote control your Mac. Technically, you could do it on a PC too, but I understand it’s tricky to set up. Download the App onto your iPhone, then drop into System Prefs on your Mac and enable VNC control (that’s a bit redundant, isn’t it?). How to do that is beyond the scope of this article, but it’s not hard. Poke around in the Sharing pane a bit, you’ll find it.

Next, launch Parallels, Fusion or Bootcamp and get Studio Manager running on your Mac. Now, connect to your Mac via Mocha VNC. Guess what? You can now control the M7 from your iPhone.

Now we’ve reached a whole new world of geekiness here… (click to enlarge)

Now, before you go rushing out to buy a new iPhone just so you can mix from it, let me warn you that due to the limitations of bandwidth, the screen refresh rate is pretty slow. That means that your visual feedback loop is so slow that you can’t tell if you’re actually moving a fader until the screen updates. The fader moves in real-time, but you can’t tell if you’re actually on it or not. The most useful function of this is turning on and off DCAs at the moment. But it’s only version 2.0–we’ll get there. I keep wanting to do this in front of Brad, the aforementioned pastor who thought I was showing off when I was mixing from my laptop. Now I want to tell him, “Oh yeah, the laptop is just way to heavy to lug around. This is where it’s at…” Now that’s showing off!

20 Comments

  1. jblasongame@gmail.com

    In-venue mixing is by far the best reason for that software. Most of the time the sound booth is placed in a part of the room where it is convenient ergonomically but, more often than not it’s usually difficult acoustically. Here, you’re able to sit in the house and mix knowing that what you’re doing is what sounds good where people sit, and not just back at the sound booth. Getting them to translate between both can be very difficult depending on the venue.

    I think the model of making mental notes and then running back to the board will die if other companies besides Yamaha take full advantage of this concept. And I suspect that future sound mixers will simply be a huge DSP rackmount and a tablet computer with a large touch-screen and maybe a few rotary encoders. No need to go to the desk anymore, just sit in with the audience and do your business there. It’s easier to get audience reaction and feedback that way too.

    Great post! (The iPhone mixer is WAY cool. Two thumbs up for that!)

  2. jblasongame@gmail.com

    In-venue mixing is by far the best reason for that software. Most of the time the sound booth is placed in a part of the room where it is convenient ergonomically but, more often than not it’s usually difficult acoustically. Here, you’re able to sit in the house and mix knowing that what you’re doing is what sounds good where people sit, and not just back at the sound booth. Getting them to translate between both can be very difficult depending on the venue.

    I think the model of making mental notes and then running back to the board will die if other companies besides Yamaha take full advantage of this concept. And I suspect that future sound mixers will simply be a huge DSP rackmount and a tablet computer with a large touch-screen and maybe a few rotary encoders. No need to go to the desk anymore, just sit in with the audience and do your business there. It’s easier to get audience reaction and feedback that way too.

    Great post! (The iPhone mixer is WAY cool. Two thumbs up for that!)

  3. jcsoundguy@gmail.com

    Good stuff Mike. Back in 2003, I put in a DM2000 at the church I was working at in TN. I did a great deal of experimenting with this kind of thing. One of the best things I learned to do was to stand on the stage with my HP iPaq that had WiFI and use a VNC client to talk to Studio Manager and dial in monitors. It was so great to stand next to a musician and hear exactly what they are hearing and make adjustments. They also felt so much better served as I was standing next to them. After I got comfortable with using the iPaq this way, I actually mixed a Sunday service sitting in the auditorium. I did have a sound guy in the booth just in case, but he never touched anything. It wasn’t easy to do, but it did work and no one knew the difference.

  4. jcsoundguy@gmail.com

    Good stuff Mike. Back in 2003, I put in a DM2000 at the church I was working at in TN. I did a great deal of experimenting with this kind of thing. One of the best things I learned to do was to stand on the stage with my HP iPaq that had WiFI and use a VNC client to talk to Studio Manager and dial in monitors. It was so great to stand next to a musician and hear exactly what they are hearing and make adjustments. They also felt so much better served as I was standing next to them. After I got comfortable with using the iPaq this way, I actually mixed a Sunday service sitting in the auditorium. I did have a sound guy in the booth just in case, but he never touched anything. It wasn’t easy to do, but it did work and no one knew the difference.

  5. mike@churchtecharts.org

    JB-You’re completely right; often FOH is stuck in a corner (or worse, a room) where it’s out of sight. That works for aesthetics, but it’s horrible for mixing. Using a laptop or a tablet PC with Studio Manager would be far, far better.

    I’m not sure I’m read to give up on the physical sound desk just yet, though. As cool as it is to mix on the computer, there’s something about moving a fader that seems more immediate and tactile. Perhaps someone will come out with a combo tablet PC with some faders and rotary encoders on it…a control surface with a brain (and wireless). Now that would be cool!

    Live Sound has a great article on the usability of digital boards this month. You can view it digitally at http://www.livesoundint.com.

    Jason–Another great point I had forgotten about. Since we use in-ears almost exclusively, I’ve not had to mix a wedge in a long time. Though for Easter, we did put a few up for the choir, and it was so helpful for our FOH engineer to be able to stand in the choir with the laptop and dial in the mix. Saved him a ton of time, and it really helps when you have less experienced musicians who really don’t know what they want in a mix.

  6. mike@churchtecharts.org

    JB-You’re completely right; often FOH is stuck in a corner (or worse, a room) where it’s out of sight. That works for aesthetics, but it’s horrible for mixing. Using a laptop or a tablet PC with Studio Manager would be far, far better.

    I’m not sure I’m read to give up on the physical sound desk just yet, though. As cool as it is to mix on the computer, there’s something about moving a fader that seems more immediate and tactile. Perhaps someone will come out with a combo tablet PC with some faders and rotary encoders on it…a control surface with a brain (and wireless). Now that would be cool!

    Live Sound has a great article on the usability of digital boards this month. You can view it digitally at http://www.livesoundint.com.

    Jason–Another great point I had forgotten about. Since we use in-ears almost exclusively, I’ve not had to mix a wedge in a long time. Though for Easter, we did put a few up for the choir, and it was so helpful for our FOH engineer to be able to stand in the choir with the laptop and dial in the mix. Saved him a ton of time, and it really helps when you have less experienced musicians who really don’t know what they want in a mix.

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  9. niko@event-corp.at

    hey,

    i encountered a problem in the location we’re about to work, i’d need to control a single M7 via wireless lan with multiple studio manager instances. that’s my question … is that possible? or is there any other possibility to control one M7 from 3 different locations?

    thanks in advance!

  10. niko@event-corp.at

    hey,

    i encountered a problem in the location we’re about to work, i’d need to control a single M7 via wireless lan with multiple studio manager instances. that’s my question … is that possible? or is there any other possibility to control one M7 from 3 different locations?

    thanks in advance!

  11. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Nikolas,

    Like many things in life, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is you can control the M7 from multiple locations; the bad news is you can’t do it at the same time. We ran into this issue with our setup.

    Our lead FOH engineer likes to use Studio Manager to monitor the desk while mixing, and I need to use it to mix our matrix mix for the record booth. However, we found the M7 will only accept one connection at a time.

    The problem is that Yamaha is using MIDI over ethernet to control the desk. And trying to establish 2 MIDI connections at once is problematic.

    There is a workaround, though it requires some setup and may or may not work well enough, depending on your needs. You could set up a computer at FOH, connected to a wireless LAN and the M7 (we just use a Linksys wireless switch/hub). Run Studio Manager on that computer, then use a VNC connection to control that computer. In essence, you’re remote controlling the computer that controls the M7.

    It’s the same concept as my iPod Touch example described above. Only with bigger hardware (ie. computers) it should work better. I’m not entirely sure you can have multiple VNC sessions running at once, however. I’ll have to try that now that I’ve said it. Maybe someone who is more of a network guru can weigh in on that concept.

    Hope it helps, thanks for reading!

  12. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Nikolas,

    Like many things in life, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is you can control the M7 from multiple locations; the bad news is you can’t do it at the same time. We ran into this issue with our setup.

    Our lead FOH engineer likes to use Studio Manager to monitor the desk while mixing, and I need to use it to mix our matrix mix for the record booth. However, we found the M7 will only accept one connection at a time.

    The problem is that Yamaha is using MIDI over ethernet to control the desk. And trying to establish 2 MIDI connections at once is problematic.

    There is a workaround, though it requires some setup and may or may not work well enough, depending on your needs. You could set up a computer at FOH, connected to a wireless LAN and the M7 (we just use a Linksys wireless switch/hub). Run Studio Manager on that computer, then use a VNC connection to control that computer. In essence, you’re remote controlling the computer that controls the M7.

    It’s the same concept as my iPod Touch example described above. Only with bigger hardware (ie. computers) it should work better. I’m not entirely sure you can have multiple VNC sessions running at once, however. I’ll have to try that now that I’ve said it. Maybe someone who is more of a network guru can weigh in on that concept.

    Hope it helps, thanks for reading!

  13. johk@e.kth.se

    Thank you very much for your detailed post on Remote Mixing.

    We have an LS9-32 in our church, and I’ve been thinking of doing something similar. Not sure if this would work, but my idea was to use channels 33-64 on the console for the recording mix in this way: I route all physical inputs to two channels, that is, 1->{1, 33}, 2->{2, 34}, …, 32->[32, 64}. In this way I could have independent EQ and dynamics for the FOH mix and the recording mix.

    Do you know if it’s possible to connect a MIDI controller to the computer and do changes in Studio Manager from the MIDI controller? Of course, you’re not as portable anymore but I guess it would make the mixing easier.

    But if I understand you correctly, you cannot select a channel and change the EQ without bothering the guy doing the FOH mix??

    Thanks again for the great post!

  14. johk@e.kth.se

    Thank you very much for your detailed post on Remote Mixing.

    We have an LS9-32 in our church, and I’ve been thinking of doing something similar. Not sure if this would work, but my idea was to use channels 33-64 on the console for the recording mix in this way: I route all physical inputs to two channels, that is, 1->{1, 33}, 2->{2, 34}, …, 32->[32, 64}. In this way I could have independent EQ and dynamics for the FOH mix and the recording mix.

    Do you know if it’s possible to connect a MIDI controller to the computer and do changes in Studio Manager from the MIDI controller? Of course, you’re not as portable anymore but I guess it would make the mixing easier.

    But if I understand you correctly, you cannot select a channel and change the EQ without bothering the guy doing the FOH mix??

    Thanks again for the great post!

  15. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Johannes,

    As far as I know, there is no midi control surface that will work with the Yamaha mixers. While they use MIDI for the interface protocol, it’s done with their software, and there’s no way to install any kind of driver for a surface.

    Your idea of double patching is intriguing, however. It would make it a lot easier to mix. You could use a post-fade matrix to send to your record booth, and mix with the faders instead of the little tiny matrix indicators.

    You are correct, however that as soon as you hit select, it also selects on the board. So you’d have to coordinate EQ changes. But once you get it set, mixing would be a breeze. I’m going to try that this weekend!

    Thanks for reading!

    mike

  16. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Johannes,

    As far as I know, there is no midi control surface that will work with the Yamaha mixers. While they use MIDI for the interface protocol, it’s done with their software, and there’s no way to install any kind of driver for a surface.

    Your idea of double patching is intriguing, however. It would make it a lot easier to mix. You could use a post-fade matrix to send to your record booth, and mix with the faders instead of the little tiny matrix indicators.

    You are correct, however that as soon as you hit select, it also selects on the board. So you’d have to coordinate EQ changes. But once you get it set, mixing would be a breeze. I’m going to try that this weekend!

    Thanks for reading!

    mike

  17. frizbplaya@hotmail.com

    Can I bring an iPhone and adjust my monitor mix πŸ™‚

  18. frizbplaya@hotmail.com

    Can I bring an iPhone and adjust my monitor mix πŸ™‚

  19. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Mike,

    No. :). But soon we’ll be switching to Avioms and you’ll be able to adjust to your heart’s content!

    mike

  20. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Mike,

    No. :). But soon we’ll be switching to Avioms and you’ll be able to adjust to your heart’s content!

    mike

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