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Church Tech Weekly Episode 73: Yes, We’re Audio Snobs

This week, the gang recaps WFX and some of the great new products seen at the show; talks about a recently introduced broadcast monitor from Panasonic; and discusses the revolutionary new digital mixer from Yamaha.

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6 Comments

  1. pbuescher@crossroads.net

    So I know you aren't a fan of the 01v, but to use as a routing and D/A solution for a video control room, do you feel it could be a cost effective solution? The LS9 is overkill, but the 01V has the card slots as well as the native inputs to support multiple computers, some playing back 8 channels and others recording up to 8 channels?

  2. pbuescher@crossroads.net

    So I know you aren't a fan of the 01v, but to use as a routing and D/A solution for a video control room, do you feel it could be a cost effective solution? The LS9 is overkill, but the 01V has the card slots as well as the native inputs to support multiple computers, some playing back 8 channels and others recording up to 8 channels?

  3. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Actually, the 01V is a good console for certain applications; audio for video being one of them. The mixer has a ton of routing, and DSP which could be useful. It's not great as an FOH mixer, however, because of the UI. When mixing live, it's just not fast enough to get around on. But in a broadcast suite, it's a great choice. The fact that you can add more I/O via ADAT and the card is an added bonus. And if you have an old computer around to run Studio Manager on, it's easy to get to all the power of the console.

    As a bonus, you can now get it in black… ';-)
    mike

  4. mike@churchtecharts.org

    Actually, the 01V is a good console for certain applications; audio for video being one of them. The mixer has a ton of routing, and DSP which could be useful. It's not great as an FOH mixer, however, because of the UI. When mixing live, it's just not fast enough to get around on. But in a broadcast suite, it's a great choice. The fact that you can add more I/O via ADAT and the card is an added bonus. And if you have an old computer around to run Studio Manager on, it's easy to get to all the power of the console.

    As a bonus, you can now get it in black… ';-)
    mike

  5. hook@ps139.com

    Great show as always, guys. In regards to the PreSonus StudioLive mixers, we run two of the 16 channels SLs linked together. When we built our new sanctuary in 2009, we were leaving our old Mackie 24-8 in our old sanctuary, and I needed 32 channels for our new one. Like Duke mentioned, I know there are many churches – like us – that simply can't afford to spend $10K+ on a mixing board. PreSonus definitely fills that niche, and IMO they fill it quite well.

    I also wanted to address Van's point about the SL not having flying faders, and when coupled with the iPad app, that it's worse for volunteers (of which we are all volunteers at our church). Let me preface this by saying we don't have an iPad at FOH yet…but, given the skill level of our audio folks, I doubt I'd turn most of them loose with the iPad anyway. The SL provides a pretty easy workaround for the lack of flying faders – is it a bit cumbersome? Sure, but it is available. It's no different than training someone on a board that has different input or output layers…inevitably, someone is going to think they're changing "A" when in reality they're changing "B". Whether it's not remembering to use the "fader locate" function on the SLs before using the iPad app, or it's not remembering to change layers before moving the fader on a A&H/Digico/Avid/etc, or even not remembering to turn on the mixer before the amps, mistakes are going to happen, and hopefully we learn from those mistakes. As a tech leader in my church, I need to be able to train and document the various workflows, regardless of whether it's an analog Mackie board, a PreSonus StudioLive, or any other board, and I need to encourage the volunteers each week, even if they do something that makes every head in the congregation spin around in horror. πŸ˜‰

    In our environment, for our volunteers, the ease of use of the "normal" features of the board far outweigh the limitations of the iPad/flying-faders issue. I would think that many of the churches that are considering the SL would agree.

  6. hook@ps139.com

    Great show as always, guys. In regards to the PreSonus StudioLive mixers, we run two of the 16 channels SLs linked together. When we built our new sanctuary in 2009, we were leaving our old Mackie 24-8 in our old sanctuary, and I needed 32 channels for our new one. Like Duke mentioned, I know there are many churches – like us – that simply can't afford to spend $10K+ on a mixing board. PreSonus definitely fills that niche, and IMO they fill it quite well.

    I also wanted to address Van's point about the SL not having flying faders, and when coupled with the iPad app, that it's worse for volunteers (of which we are all volunteers at our church). Let me preface this by saying we don't have an iPad at FOH yet…but, given the skill level of our audio folks, I doubt I'd turn most of them loose with the iPad anyway. The SL provides a pretty easy workaround for the lack of flying faders – is it a bit cumbersome? Sure, but it is available. It's no different than training someone on a board that has different input or output layers…inevitably, someone is going to think they're changing "A" when in reality they're changing "B". Whether it's not remembering to use the "fader locate" function on the SLs before using the iPad app, or it's not remembering to change layers before moving the fader on a A&H/Digico/Avid/etc, or even not remembering to turn on the mixer before the amps, mistakes are going to happen, and hopefully we learn from those mistakes. As a tech leader in my church, I need to be able to train and document the various workflows, regardless of whether it's an analog Mackie board, a PreSonus StudioLive, or any other board, and I need to encourage the volunteers each week, even if they do something that makes every head in the congregation spin around in horror. πŸ˜‰

    In our environment, for our volunteers, the ease of use of the "normal" features of the board far outweigh the limitations of the iPad/flying-faders issue. I would think that many of the churches that are considering the SL would agree.

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